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PostSubject: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/2/2009, 12:34 pm

I was just wondering what you guys do for a rotation to get max dps...Im currently only a level 78 and with the rotation i do, i only get at best 1200 dps...and thats keeping my diseases up and using D&D...I only have questing greens/blues..I have yet to get into any instances really, unless i run into the quests for them...but im main rushing to get to 80 so i can just delve into heroics with my other friends who are already geared for ulduar basically...and be the best i can possibly be in order to get and maintain a raid spot...any and all suggestions/hints are greatly appreciated

heres my spec, its not complete and i plan on redoing it here soo to get rid of a couple unncessary talents in unholy (ghoul frenzy)...

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Cenarius&cn=Necroghoul&gn=Fallen



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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/2/2009, 12:53 pm

im no DK expert but something is wrong when you have 1200 dps at lvl 78, you are about 200-300 off

and WELCOME to the forums, i see that this is your first post
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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/2/2009, 1:04 pm

My understanding about DK DPS is that it is hard to measure against non-Boss mobs. Quest mobs don't last long enough to get a good rotation going for the damage calculations, and the target dummies tend to give readings that are 2-300 off. So if you're getting your reading through test dummies, you might be "on par" after all.

Once you get a good rotation, the levels and the gear will jack up your damage exponentially. If you're not really running instances, I wouldn't sweat your damage until you hit 80. Most of the information out there is aimed at 80 rotations anyway, so just bang out those last two levels and the World (of Warcraft) will be your oyster What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/2/2009, 6:05 pm

rite on, i will keep that in mind....i ran Utgarde Keep at level 69, using the same rotation i am now, and i was doing about 1000 DPS then....that why i was a little skeptical about my rotation now cause im still doing the same almost 10 levels higher + way better gear (i was still rocking the original DK gear all the way to NR)...so your probably right and ill just have to wait til i get into raids...thanks

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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/3/2009, 10:27 am

Heya Necro and welcome to the forums!

I was glancing over your spec and I have a few suggestions I thought I would toss out there. First in Blood, I wouldn't worry about the point you have in Blood Barrier unless you're doing any tanking. That point gives you 0 dps and you're missing out on a decent questing/grouping dps point in Butchery. In unholy, you'll have diseases and Unholy Blight to manage along with periodic gargoyles, but to fill in the lulls between your rotation cycles you'll need some Runic Power to take advantage of more Death coils.

You can fill in your Bladed Armor when you get your next few points and that would be it for Blood.

In Unholy, the only thing I can see is again, related to your RP generation. I would suggest taking out 2 points from Necrosis and putting them in Dirge, strictly for the RP generation. It will mean less time standing around since you'll be generating another 5 - 10 RP per rotation. Aside from that, I would drop On a Pale Horse once you're done leveling and put the points into Reaping. It may not seem like much, but those death runes mean you don't have to use Blood Strike as much and you get a free Scourge Strike every other rotation. Also, I would fill out Desecration too. With Scourge Strike proccing the effect now and you using SS 4 times every two Runic Cycles, it's almost has 100% up time on most fights. With those changes your spec would look something like 12/0/59 at level 80.

Your single target rotation would be something like
Icy Touch, Plague Strike, Blood Strike, Blood strike, Scourge Strike, Unholy blight
Scourge Strike, Scourge Strike, Scourge Strike and then runic dump (death coil)

AoE rotation would be more like
Icy Touch, Plague Strike, Pestilence, Blood Boil, Scourge Strike, Unholy blight
Scourge Strike, Scourge Strike, Scourge Strike and then runic dump (death coil)

I only use Death and Decay if 1) you have a good tank that can hold the aggro and 2) there are 4 or more mobs. If you're using DnD, then I would suggest waiting till after you use your pestilence to pass diseases to give your tank some time on the mobs. Don't bother with DnD if there are 3 or fewer mobs. You're probably losing dps if you do.

As to Glyphs, I would sub out your Death Grip Glyph for Glyph of Dark Embrace or Scourge Strike and then add the other when you hit 80.


I hope this helps.
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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/3/2009, 10:42 am

thank you Haf...i will get right on those changes...i appreciate all the help and suggestions you have given...the only reason i have that glyph for death grip is for faster leveling (less walking on my part) lol...i didnt plan on keeping that anyways..

my rotation is completely different than that..i cant remember if i got my rotation from Skeleton Jacks page, or MAX DPS...but this is the rotation ive been using to solo level and it hasnt gave me any fits or anything with cooldowns/runic power etc....

Single Target

PS --> IT --> SS --> BS --> BS --> DC --> UB

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PS --> IT --> SS --> PEST --> BLOOD BOIL --> BS --> DC --> UB (or whatever is up til i can start my normal rotation over again)

and i throw in some D&D when theres more then 2-3 mobs...i have a feeling what im doing is actually costing me ALOT of dps from the sound of it...i mean im not dying or anything, but im sure i could be questing a hell of alot faster....im about to ding 79 (like 200k away) and when i do, and go train im gonna respec and try your suggestions and see just how much I am losing out on...

i use one of those FANG pads instead of keyboard and clicking the spells...sometimes i find myself wanting to look at the spells to see if the cooldown is up or the runic power is generated...is there an addon that i can get that makes it easier for me to do my rotations without looking?...cause I know for a fact (atleast on my warrior), if you go into raids and your looking at ur action bars in the slightest at the wrong time, u will die almost all the time...

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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/3/2009, 10:52 am

Necroghoul wrote:
...is there an addon that i can get that makes it easier for me to do my rotations without looking?

I use DK Info Runes to keep track of my runes. It's really customizable, so you can change the opacity, location and style of the display and put it right on your toon if you want. I wouldn't necessarily suggest that, but you get my meaning. Smile

It also tracks diseases on your target so you don't have to do much to see when they will fall off. It works pretty well.


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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/3/2009, 11:26 am

thanks, i will try that as soon as i get home from work :D

anyone know a viable tanking spec? so i can have that as my offspec...my co-worker informed me 2day that he wants me to tank heroics for our group because he has such good DPS gear from Ulduar
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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/4/2009, 8:26 am

Haf..

Ok, last night after work....i rushed to get to 79 so when I went to train I could just respec....i switched over to pretty much the same thing you sent me and was running the correct rotation but i found myself after hittin UB, that the cooldown for SS wasnt back up yet..and by the time it was, IT and so forth to restart the rotations were back up therefore i never got to using DC hardly...I stopped using D&D, and used more pestilence/blood boil and I was very successful...so what im wondering is if i should be popping off the rotation as fast as possible?, or is there a specific time/limit i should be waiting inbetween casts to make sure those cooldowns are back up at the appropriate times? I know with a warrior you have to pace yourself b/c of the rage situation...DKs a little different b/c they have RUNES ontop of the RP (like rage)...Im also runnning Blood Presence to fight mobs, if that helps...maybe i should be in a dif presence?

I kil mobs faster now and can kill more than I used to at the same time...but my DPS is still at like 11-1200 on a regular basis...now im assuming that this is b/c of my crappy questing gear and without the raid/instance buffs that would severely help my dps

I downloaded that DKRune/Disease add-on...and its fantastic..thanks for sending me the link...severly helped me out when making sure my diseases are up so i maximize my SS and Pest/BB situations....
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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/4/2009, 9:10 am

I'm not sure how you're doing your rotation, but your full rotation should include two full runic cycles. What I mean by that is, you burn through all of your runes twice per rotation. So the rotation would only include IT and PS on the first runic cycle. You also would only have to use Pestilence in the first cycle if you are AoEing. At the end of the first runic cycle, you will very likely only have enough RP for Unholy blight. (If you get the tier 7 - 4pc bonus it helps a lot with that runic starvation)

At the beginning of your 2nd runic cycle, you will use the unholy/frost runes (UF) for Scourge strike and then the blood runes (that you used in the first runic cycle for blood boil, pestilence or blood strike) should now become death runes so you can use the two of them in combination for a third Scourge strike this cycle.

Runic Cycle 1 - IT > PS > BS > BS > SS > UB Runic dump if you have it
Runic Cycle 2 - SS > SS > SS > Runic dump

I think the biggest problem you're facing right now is that you don't have a chance to generate any RP because mobs don't really live long enough to get through many runic cycles coupled with the fact that you don't have the extra RP generation form the 4pc t7 bonus (I had forgotten what a boon that is to dps, even with the recent nerf to it). I promise, once you have a boss to work on and you can get through that cycle a few times, your dps will go up simply because you have a chance to generate more RP.

Also make sure to pop your blood tap (switches a blood rune to a death rune, so you have a free rune) to use for your ghoul frenzy... or drop the talent and put the point in necrosis. Smile Honestly, I find it to be a bit much to manage since i am not especially good with pet management, but it's a good talent if you use it.
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PostSubject: Re: DK Unholy/Blood Spec Rotation   6/4/2009, 9:52 am

that makes alot of sense, i guess ill just have to wait til i get into some Naxx and see where it leads me..i was a tad bit confused on the runic cycles you were refering to, but i get it now with what you posted...you are correct, the quest mobs die way too fast to get an accurate reading...so ill just see..If i can find a raiding group that is..my server is highly over populated with Allies..I think its 8-1 or something....thanks for all your help haf


on a side note, anyone know what the add-on used here is?...it shows your cooldowns and when they are up so you can focus solely on the task at hand...(the larger ones above the toon itself, grayed out)

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